tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post2236322515973189623..comments2023-07-26T12:07:46.293+01:00Comments on Tenbury Wells - Tenbury Blog: Tenbury Tesco planning application approved.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger123125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-17007086259277306422012-03-22T12:39:51.466+00:002012-03-22T12:39:51.466+00:00There were a small proportion that appeared in the...There were a small proportion that appeared in the same handwriting. We ourselves voluntarily alerted the Councils to these on handover of the duplicate sheets. We were unclear as to why they should be so at that point. We did some looking into it though and did eventually find out that there was a simple explanation - and one that had no sinister implications either.Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-74024189037503185312012-03-20T22:40:26.842+00:002012-03-20T22:40:26.842+00:00Referendums don't come cheap. The Town Counci...Referendums don't come cheap. The Town Council couldn't afford to waste money on an exercise that would carry no legal weight.<br /><br />I analysed all the replies to TFs survey. TFs definition of local is far different to mine! Also the handwriting on many forms was identical. Curious.@WR15https://www.blogger.com/profile/12656584484938445224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-27307720066519158182012-03-20T22:32:16.964+00:002012-03-20T22:32:16.964+00:00We did ask the town council to undertake a referen...We did ask the town council to undertake a referendum lat year but I think they were hesitant to do so. As WR15 says though it's not really a measure that holds any real weight whatever the outcome though..<br /><br />We did run our own poll though if you recall in Mar 2011. <b>All</b> returned papers were copied [long job] to both TTC and MHDC for their ref and so it could be verified by third parties.<br /><br />In summary over 300 mainly local people eventually sent in replies. On the subject of the CM and large supermarket devts - over 200 of the returned papers overtly said 'no' and that they'd prefer a more blended solution instead and to re-use the Old Infirmary.Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-24897529523738798222012-03-19T21:20:43.144+00:002012-03-19T21:20:43.144+00:00A judicial review needs to be lodged within 12 wee...A judicial review needs to be lodged within 12 weeks from permission being given, I believe.DaisyJaynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-88839136826505060342012-03-19T17:29:21.559+00:002012-03-19T17:29:21.559+00:00No it wouldn't, but a Tenbury based poll woul...No it wouldn't, but a Tenbury based poll would probably have given the lie to their extravagant claims.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-75632353380092448912012-03-19T16:41:26.853+00:002012-03-19T16:41:26.853+00:00With the geographical spread of their supporters i...With the geographical spread of their supporters it would have to be a national one, & it would still have had no effect of the planning process.@WR15https://www.blogger.com/profile/12656584484938445224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-8309982122916718752012-03-19T16:34:55.934+00:002012-03-19T16:34:55.934+00:00If Tenbury Futures TRULY wanted to know the state ...If Tenbury Futures TRULY wanted to know the state of local public opinion why didn't they arrange a referendum. Much cheaper than Judicial Review!Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-89393862823991720372012-03-19T16:31:16.314+00:002012-03-19T16:31:16.314+00:00Tenbury Futures - you can't have it both ways....Tenbury Futures - you can't have it both ways. In one post you describe the objectors' views as 'balanced' and in a later one as passionate and furious. Which is it?Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-54083461506292449792012-03-19T16:10:06.415+00:002012-03-19T16:10:06.415+00:00One assumes there is a time limit to raise or peti...One assumes there is a time limit to raise or petition for a judicial review?Mr.Longbeardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-66869013079038563102012-03-19T15:35:04.924+00:002012-03-19T15:35:04.924+00:00I don't fully understand the localism bill. H...I don't fully understand the localism bill. How near do people need to live for them to have a say. Same Postcode area, same Town Council area, Same District County Area, Same County Council area?@WR15https://www.blogger.com/profile/12656584484938445224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-87456683391264732012012-03-19T14:43:00.273+00:002012-03-19T14:43:00.273+00:00The planners have made their initial decision WR15...The planners have made their initial decision WR15. It may well reach judicial review yet of course.<br /><br />It's a shame that the present planning system doesn't take a little more notice of the people's concerns in the locale and surrounds though. This may of course change with time.<br /><br />If this plan had happened in the future then it may well have come under the new Localism Act [passed Nov 2011] for community debate. This of course encourages people to come together and make decisions about their future with <b>'responsible, careful and sustainable' developments that best serve their community.</b> It would also allow discussions and a better input into planning processes to ensure that plans could best <b>support local businesses and communities.</b><br /><br />This Tesco plan has sneaked-in under the wire in this respect as it was ongoing when the act was passed. There could have been much to discuss locally in terms of whether the plan is <i>'responsible, careful and sustainable'</i> just for starters..Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-89225727395083566612012-03-19T14:10:46.907+00:002012-03-19T14:10:46.907+00:00What does seem clear is that some people still don...What does seem clear is that some people still don't understand how the planning system works. If a plan is valid, it's passed. It's not about voting (with the exception of the planning committee), or numbers of objections, or whether you like Tesco or not.@WR15https://www.blogger.com/profile/12656584484938445224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-83197170202746510472012-03-19T13:36:27.430+00:002012-03-19T13:36:27.430+00:00Ian it seems what you're confirming is clear e...Ian it seems what you're confirming is clear examples of passion [and in some cases fury] at the Tenbury Tesco plans on the MHDC site from locals, regional people etc.. <br /><br />Doesn't this suggest after all then there clearly <b>is</b> an acrimonious split on this issue locally?Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-64573331031425527682012-03-19T11:38:53.474+00:002012-03-19T11:38:53.474+00:00"For a more balanced view you might try looki..."For a more balanced view you might try looking through some of the many hundreds of written objections to the Tesco plan on the MHDC planning website" . . . I assume this was written with tongue firmly planted in cheek. I read almost all of the letters and 'balanced' isn't a word that occurred to me.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-20999938488710764222012-03-19T07:31:42.613+00:002012-03-19T07:31:42.613+00:00the town split?..... can't agree with you more...the town split?..... can't agree with you more ian. just because people have strong views about tescos doesn't mean a civil war is breaking out!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-61691465132778556812012-03-19T00:33:36.777+00:002012-03-19T00:33:36.777+00:00Ian.
For a more balanced view you might try looki...Ian.<br /><br />For a more balanced view you might try looking through some of the many hundreds of written objections to the Tesco plan on the MHDC planning website - some local, some regional and some part of the town's tourist draw from wider in the UK. For examples of passionate local objectors you might try AW Whitby of Burford's letter or maybe Mrs Bevis of Berrington Rd or maybe Dr J Lendrun of Bromyard Rd? These are just a few at the top of the long list of many, many strong local objectors who have publicly lodged their opposition.<br /><br />You might also want to get perspectives from local shops that have opposed the plan such as The Little Sweet Shop, Spar, Bowketts, The Pet store opp Caldicotts, the Wool Shop opp the Market Tavern, Tenbury News, Banfields or one of the various others who opposed it but were concerned about putting posters in their windows.<br /><br />Regards the unsupported assertions - where to start. Maybe you might want to hear-out some of the other <b>450</b> UK campaigns mentioned on Tescopoly.com's homepage. These exist to specifically oppose Tesco builds. Why not tell them to stop their 'ridiculous scaremongering' too as they all have similar concerns?Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-38277546098415703822012-03-18T19:57:43.679+00:002012-03-18T19:57:43.679+00:00Tenbury Futures . . . It's the difference betw...Tenbury Futures . . . It's the difference between "bitter arguments " and differences of opinion. I spent most of yesterday in town and can't recall Tesco being mention anywhere. I actually don't think the town is split in the way you suggest. There are diehard (almost idealogical) opponents as generally represented by TF. There may be diehard supporters ( for all I know). And there is the rest of us who are tired of ridiculous scaremongering and unsupported assertions. And beware . . . don't believe everything you read in newspapers!Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-80102075629922715212012-03-18T18:19:19.084+00:002012-03-18T18:19:19.084+00:00The "70%" figure is from a survey of Bus...The "70%" figure is from a survey of Businesses carried out by the Town Council (see their website for details - or an earlier blog article)<br /><br />The other figure is in a very detailed survey which is part of the Planning Application and available to view on the MHDC website.@WR15https://www.blogger.com/profile/12656584484938445224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-27354211162513028522012-03-18T17:24:20.698+00:002012-03-18T17:24:20.698+00:00I had presumed, because people keep bandying aroun...I had presumed, because people keep bandying around figures of how many people shop away from Tenbury or are in favour of the store - I'm sure the cllrs said at the meeting last week that 70% of Tenbury shopkeepers are in favour of Tesco and I've heard that, something like, 65% of Tenbury residents don't shop in Tenbury - that these were official figures established from proper surveys. Is that not the case?DaisyJaynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-73881013240863048342012-03-18T14:39:26.862+00:002012-03-18T14:39:26.862+00:00Daisy Jayne - To which 'surveys' do you re...Daisy Jayne - To which 'surveys' do you refer? I live in Tenbury and don't recall ever having been asked by anyone to express a view. And what difference do you suppose it would have made?Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-86091926468093352012012-03-18T12:22:40.611+00:002012-03-18T12:22:40.611+00:00'...Delusional'
Ok, lets take a look..
T...<i>'...Delusional'</i><br /><br />Ok, lets take a look..<br /><br />Tenbury Advertiser, 16th Mar, 2012.<br /><b>"Is Tenbury a town divided after Tesco decision?"</b><br /><br />Leader of Malvern Hills DC and District Cllr Phil Grove is quoted as saying at the recent planning committee:<br /><br /><i>"There are no winners tonight because <b>this town is split</b>. If we approve this there will be people who will be delighted and others will be very disappointed...”.</i><br /><br />Are you calling Cllr Grove <i>'delusional'</i> Ian? <br /><br />Teme Valley Times, 6th Nov, 2011,<br /><b>"Tesco Latest"</b><br /><br /><i>"The plan to build a new Tesco in Tenbury <b>has split the town</b> and the Town Council seem to share this sentiment. At one meeting the vote was 'against' by a narrow margin (4-5) but a couple of weeks later the vote went the other way (6-4)."</i><br /><br />Are you calling the editor of the Teme Valley Times <i>'delusional'</i> Ian?Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-80500946867205890282012-03-18T11:59:01.250+00:002012-03-18T11:59:01.250+00:00The reason I feel a little hard done by is that I ...The reason I feel a little hard done by is that I live in Boraston, which is by all intents and purposes part of Tenbury, I only shop in Tenbury or if I can't buy something there (such as clothes (bar the charity shops, which I love!) I get it online, yet I've never been asked by any survey where I shop or if I'd like the Tesco here.<br />I don't imagine that the Tenbury shopkeepers/cllrs believe that their only clientele is Tenbury residents, though I appreciate they'd probably make up the majority (or not as the surveys seem to have shown!), so I really feel the out-lying villages should also have been taken into account and included on the surveys.DaisyJaynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-15346181545259846572012-03-17T22:09:54.819+00:002012-03-17T22:09:54.819+00:00Ian
If you don't like it don't read or co...Ian<br /><br />If you don't like it don't read or commentAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-83042072753838283292012-03-17T21:54:29.681+00:002012-03-17T21:54:29.681+00:00(from a VERY, VERY dead horse) . . . please, pleas...(from a VERY, VERY dead horse) . . . please, please, stop beating me! <br />As for "bitter arguments still ongoing within the town over this plan" . . . it's rather worrying that TFs are beginning to believe their own misinformation. It's verging on the delusional.Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7688430817933604545.post-54673039268804874542012-03-17T21:44:58.279+00:002012-03-17T21:44:58.279+00:00Ludlow Tesco's growth ambitions are clear then...Ludlow Tesco's growth ambitions are clear then. <br /><br />Once Tesco have a toehold they'll try to do whatever they can to increase their presence and market share in the vacinity.<br /><br />Not long ago Ludlow Tesco made Aldi an offer for their store as they wanted to expand <i>and</i> didn't like the competition. Awkward when the boot's on the other foot and you're being undercut isn't it?<br /><br />Aldi roundly rejected the offer.Tenbury Futureshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05577858615988411115noreply@blogger.com