Yesterday, Tenbury witnessed a lesson in democracy. For many of the "audience" this may have been the first time that they had witnessed their district representatives in action and how they interacted with the paid officers of the Council. I was impressed by the presentations given by both the Tenbury Ward members.
What may have surprised some, is that despite some councillors feeling that they are qualified to sit on such a committee they clearly do not have full understanding of the process.
No wonder the Tesco representatives were smiling at some of the Cllrs comments as they clearly paved the way for any appeal.
Luckily their minders, the paid officers, by due process, managed (just) to keep the final decision on the straight and narrow and hopefully avoid MHDC (and us by virtue of our Council Tax) being hit by a large application for costs at any appeal.
I am not either a planning or legal expert so as always the content of this blog are my opinion and observation. I have been wrong before, and will be wrong again. Additional coverage of last nights meeting is scheduled to run in tonight's Shropshire Star, and will probably also appear in the various Newsquest publications such as the Worcester Evening News.
By the time yesterday's meeting took place, some of the original objections raised in the very comprehensive "Recommend to refuse" report had been overturned by additional information having been made available. The final reasons for rejection are.:
1. The detailed design, general massing and site layout of the proposed store would not make a positive contribution to the character and local distinctiveness of the Tenbury Wells Conservation Area, and would result in the demolition of a valuable building of local interest in the conservation area, contrary to Policy HE7.5 of PPS5, Policy CTC19 of the Worcestershire County Structure Plan and Policies QL7 and QL8 of the Malvern Hills District Local Plan.
2. The design of the proposed car park and its relationship to the River Teme does not sustain and enhance the significance of the Tenbury Wells Conservation Area, the River Teme and the Riverside walk and does not constitute a positive role in place shaping contrary to Policy HE7.4 of PPS5, Policy CTC19 of the Worcestershire County Structure Plan and policy QL7 and QL9 of the Malvern Hills District Local Plan.
3. The proposed car parking area adjacent to the boundary of the Old Firestation and Temeside House is harmfull to the setting of the grade II listed buildings, detracting from their significance as heritage assetts, and is likely to damage the buildings economic vitality now, or in the future contrary to Policy HE10 of PPS5, Policy CTC19 of the Worcestershire County Structure Plan and Policy QL13 of the Malvern Hills District Local Plan.
4. In the absence of a Section 106 Agreement in respect of highway and sustainability measures which include the provision of a local bus service, a contribution to public realm works and monitoring of the junction of the A4112/A456, the level of car parking proposed on the site and traffic generated by the proposal would result in vehicles associated with the development parking within the public highway, which would restrict the free flow of traffic to the detriment of highway safety, contrary to Policy DS3 of the Malvern Hills District Plan.
A number of Cllrs had wanted to add Town Vitality and the Bridge/Road Safety into the reasons for rejection, but were wisely advised by the Council Solicitor and Development Control Manager, not to.
Yesterday the Cllrs had a choice to accept the reasons above and refuse planning permission or the defer the decision and work with the applicant to improve the design and agree on the terms of the S106 agreement.
They decided by voting 7 to refuse, 4 not to refuse and 2 abstentions.
So where does that leave Tenbury?
Personally I think Tesco will appeal, and I think they have a good chance of them winning. (but what do I know!) They may also prepare a new application which addresses some of the issues, and use the threat of the appeal to concentrate the minds of the officials. The town is far more likely to benefit from a generous S106 settlement from an application than from a plan passed on appeal.
Why do I think this?
The first reason for refusal is all about size and design. These decisions are subjective. I have felt all along that the design is wrong and the size too large. I'm not architecturally trained, but I know a good design when I see one (although another person looking at the same design may well disagree). When backed into a corner in the past Tesco have appointed "eminent" designers who have come up with stunning designs. Size will still be an issue, Tesco will want to maximise the size of the store to maximise their return on investment, whilst the site demands a smaller store to allow sufficient car parking, access and room for the River side walk.
The second reason is about the interaction with the car park and the River Teme. It has at last been acknowledged that if Tenbury stands any chance of becoming a Tourist destination, it needs to make much better use of its Riverside position. The existing dark, damp and unkempt riverside walk is a disgrace. Much more thought needs to be given how to open up this path and provide an attractive environment and views.
The third reason is both subjective and technical. Temeside house is hardly an attractive or vibrant addition to the town. It continues to deteriorate, and whilst it has some residential and business use these could cynically be termed as cosmetic rather than viable.
The fourth reason is purely technical and a negotiated S106 agreement could be completed without too much effort.
Other Arguments
Vitality : Much has been made of the development damaging the vitality of the Town. This is not an argument that I have agreed with, and it seems that the Independent Retail Consultant employed by the District Council also disagrees. Many articles and studies have been quoted, but they all refer to large out of town superstores. I can find no studies where small (the proposed store is at the larger end of small) in town stores have caused major damage. They do provide competition to other similar food retailers, but that isn't sufficient reason to refuse them. Both Bowketts and Spar have been described as "over-trading" (which means their turnover per square foot is much higher than the expected norm) which means they could reduce their turnover significantly without it fundamentally damaging the business.
The Bridge : We all know that the bridge is "old" and showing signs of wear. The County Council maintain that it is structurally sound and that their monitoring and inspection regime will ensure that it remains operational. Opinions may differ, but in planning terms, you have to defer to the statutory experts.
Safety : In an ideal world you wouldn't mix vehicles and people, but we do not live in an ideal world, and vehicles and people have to mix everyday. The delivery arrangements for most of the business' in town are far from ideal, and Tenbury is not unique in this. Only large, modern and often out of town shopping complexes solve this problem, but of course they also cause many others. I agree that wherever possible we should plan for failure, but again this argument isn't one that holds up in planning terms. Risk management is the duty of the retailer.
Jobs : I was surprised that the Tesco representative was still quoting the 150 jobs figure. This is calculated as the average number of jobs per square foot of retail space. I thought this figure had been down graded due to the slowing economic climate.
Electricity : It is claimed that a company in Burford is unable to expand as Tesco have bought up all the spare capacity in the area. Sorry, but I don't believe this.
The only option : Clearly this isn't the only option for the site. It is probably the most financially rewarding option for the site owner. It is the only application on the table, but it would not be beyond the scope of human ingenuity to come up with alternatives.
Parking : Parking is and always will be a problem. Insufficient parking adds to congestion as cars circulate looking for somewhere to park.
Public transport : Public transport especially in rural areas is a joke, and anyone with a viable alternative is unlikely to be persuaded otherwise. Tesco's have comprehensively misunderstood the existing provision and have not as yet come up with any sensible alternatives. Clearly their "wish" that staff will arrive using methods other than cars is short sighted and unless their opening hours are only 10am to 3pm completely unworkable.
Traffic Congestion : As someone who has lived and worked in London and other major cities, I would say what congestion, but the lack of road congestion is one of the major benefits of living rurally. I do believe that the traffic survey was defective as Tenbury Traffic does not conform to the norm. In most Towns, Saturday afternoon is the busiest time of the week, whilst in Tenbury it is the quietest. This needs to be re-visited, and revised if any new application is submitted. I think that congestion will be more of a problem than acknowledged by the applicant, but less than indicated by the objectors.
So, we live in interesting times. I predict chaos on Teme Street for much of 2011 & 2012 (and perhaps beyond) as work begins on the renovation of the Regal, the repairs to the drains, the resurfacing of the roads & the repairs to the bridge. TesNo or Yesco, the next few years will see additional pressure on the vitality of the town, for reasons other than competition.
Thursday 6 January 2011
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Well done MHDC for refusing. Shows they got common sense.
Thanks for your very comprehensive report of the Council’s determination of Tesco planning application. I think your observations are very flair . . . and like you, I think the electricity claim is probably complete nonsense!
I also agree with you that the 150 new jobs they quoted was total nonsense
Once again. Its nit picking with a very large comb! And they certainly are not finding, what i beleive, viable grounds for refusal. Lets hope Tesco do appeal and keep hacking away at the councillors defences because I am sure those defences will come tumbling down before long, just as Tenbury finshes its fight with a painful death.
A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TENBURY DOSENT WANT TESCO TO COME HERE BUT IT WILL DO PEOPLE GOOD TO HAVE ANOTHER STORE LIKE TESCO BECAUSE THE OTHER FOOD STORES HAVENT GOT A WIDE SELECTION LIKE TESCOS HAVE, AND TESCO SHOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO THIS TOWN THEY GOT A STORE IN LUDLOW AND THATS ONLY A SMALL TOWN IF IT CAN WORK IN LUDLOW AND ALL THE OTHER SHOPS ARE STILL SURVIVING THEN WHY CANT IT WORK IN TENBURY CAUSE IT WILL AND THE OTHER SHOPS IN THE TOWN WILL NOT BE FORCED TO CLOSE AS HEALTHY COMPETITION IS GOOD FOR ANYONE
Tenbury Wells is dying on its feet. The shops are terrible, the service worse. Tescos would have been a welcome addition. Still you reap what you sow - the town will die altogether soon - serves you right
Come on Tenbury Town Council - intigate a town-wide debate about the future usage of the site.. This was publicly asked for at the Planning meet..
It would seem after checking that Tenbury Chase LLP are still dissolved as a company though and that the ownership defaults to the Crown.
Surely a blended use of small retail, more parking, re-use of the RBB housing the Museum and possibly Tourist Info when they're ousted from their present site with Regal renovations is a start for discussion?
As WR15 says - the site in tourism terms isn't attractive - this could be the opportunity to examine a range of options that tick a lot of boxes for the town [instead of being stuck with a jocking great Supermarket].
Can anyone confirm how many members the Fight for Tesco in Tenbury facebook page has ?. Thanks
The problem is that it is probably only the likes of Tesco that have enough financial clout to develop a site like this. They can afford to invest big and think long term. Who is going to finance the development of small retail units in such uncertain times . . . or fund the development of a car park . . . or pay for the refurbishment of the old RBB building? In my opinion, the money just isn’t there. We residents can have endless debates about desirable outcomes, but the harsh reality is that only the big boys can deliver anything on this site in the present economic climate.
FIGHT FOR TESCO IN TENBURY WELLS = 342 Members.
Yes....We Want A Tesco In Tenbury Wells !!! 131 Members
WR15 Is that an up to date figure as Sophie that represented Fight For Tesco... said they had over 500 members!!
So does this mean we caught Tesco lying yet again?
To be fair, Sophie (Tesco) read out a letter rather than "claiming" the number.
I guess the two numbers may have been added together and rounded up.
Personally I don't think it matters either way. My view is that there are still more people in favour or neutral than against.
Those "against" range have a range of views which include:
No Supermarket of any kind.
No Tesco.
Any Supermarket, but not this design.
etc.
When you have people objecting who live hundreds of miles away, and clearly have no idea about the local issues and are just objecting because it's Tescos I do not feel that they should be included in any count!
It's interesting that the topic of Tesco's version of recent events has re-appeared..
Sophie the Tesco rep enthusiastically told the planning committee that they had approached the Museum Society and discussed plans for them to move into the old workhouse/fire station building..
I now understand that the Museum Society weren't in fact offered any terms by Tesco here. It was merely an exercise in Tesco 'spin' to try and make themselves look remotely caring.
Instead what the society do want to do [again as I understand] is to use some of the greater space available in the RBB building.
You can't add up the two facebook groups because if you look at the members of the yes for tesco you will see that 95% of them are also members of the fight for tesco... So adding them up makes a false number
To be quite honest anonymous if you have the time to look at to different sites to see who is a member then you have got to much spare time on your hands.All i can say is the people that dont want tesco in town either dont have a large family with young children which take a large chunk of a weekly wage on food and clothing or they are on a lot better wage than the average family to be able to shop locally
Forget Facebook (its faceless anyway)Check the MHDC website to see how many for or against.Was it 800 objections to the development.
I didn't actually look for it. If you saw WR15 posted the numbers of the site all I'm sayin is you can't add up together when they are members of both sites it's a false number and just shows the lies of tesco again.
Anonymous you make an interesting point about families.
I'm not sure what your circumstances are but I'm pretty much the sole earner in my family, I have 2x young children and they do indeed take money from the wages as do all the other things..
But..
We've always mixed our shopping with local purchases and bits from outside of Tenbury and we manage fine. In fact we've not found a supermarket yet that tops the quality of the meat and veg you can buy locally.
I'm no company director or executive though and certainly not on a 50k salary..
Shop "smart" in Tenbury and you will pick up some bargins .Or do the lazy thing jump in your car to Tesco in Ludlow do all your shopping under one roof and get "ripped off".Enjoy the stroll up Teme Street i say.
there no point walking up teme street ie saturdays afternoons because everywhere is shut
"Everywhere" a bit of an exaggeration!
Mr Jelly needs to sort some specs out for Anonymous .Pop in he will do you a good deal,also you will be staying local .
I totally agree mr bumblebee you cant buy veg at good quality and price as the barn shop and the meat at bowketts is good quality but with a family of three young children i couldnt afford to do a weekly shop of everyday things in tenbury it just isnt viable on a basic wage
Go Saturday morning then if "EVERYTHING" is shut in afternoon.
I see what you say Mr Anonymous, we do a mix of local and outside - certainly buying staples like most meats and veg locally for the better quality.
I wouldn't ordinarily do my whole weekly shop only locally though - the mix of is viable though in our experience.. As larger supermarkets are so easily accessible from Tenbury anyway this allows us the 'best of both worlds' while knowing that we're helping in part to support the local shops.
I think the key thing now is 'where from here'?
I think the people of Tenbury should be allowed a say in what could happen to the cattle market site. The Town Council or MHDC could set this debate in motion if they wanted.
Or do they want to? Do they think Tesco will triumph eventually maybe?
Are we now going to see 'hardball' tactics from Tesco as they pull out the stops? It's their normal policy to appeal a planning rejection and they may well do this and use whatever additional 'leverage' they can think of..
Or is there to be a set of 'unfortunate' or 'unforseen' incidents affecting the site? A tramp is blamed for the 'chance' burning-down of the RBB building - that sort of thing..
Let local people have their say, invite them to make suggestions for alternatives. Make the site benefit the local community, let it help make us a more attractive tourist destination by developing the riverside..
I know funding in this financial climate is going to be an issue - but at least lets fully explore the options.
Bumblebee - I just wonder if the options are not very largely determined by the finance thought to be available - i.e. there's not much point in thinking that a holiday to Belize is an option if you've only enough money for a holiday in Bognor.
:-) Ian - I know what you mean and this issue of the finance with any ideas raised is absolutely key..
As I can see many of the grants previously available have been taken away.. Having said that, has there been any real concerted effort to examine the range of possibilities undertaken?
Maybe there are options/ combinations of possibilities out there still but as yet undiscovered..
In my experience of trying to dispose of sites like this, the really innovative ideas generally come from the investing entrepreneur rather than from the vendor - but surprises are always possible!
"Or is there to be a set of 'unfortunate' or 'unforseen' incidents affecting the site? A tramp is blamed for the 'chance' burning-down of the RBB building - that sort of thing.."
Stranger things have happened, and why shouldn't they...
It's a shed of a building with failing masonry, knackered roof and windows put in on the ground floor, add that lot to users of intravenous narcotics looking for somewhere warm and out of prying eyes = accident waiting to happen.
Regardless of what happens to the site as a whole that building needs securing before it does go up in flames with someone inside it..
The building was being rented out as office accommodation until just a few years ago, when the tenants were told to leave. At that time the building was in quite nice condition. The building is now said to be owned by the crown so someone should contact the relevant crown office and ask them to make the building safe and to repair it as appropriate to its status in a conservation area. If nobody know who to contact, try the MP - her local office is 01684 585165
It's about time we had a decent supermarket in our town the likes of local supermarkets have been over pricing stuff for years .
Anonymous - You had the chance at the planning meeting to have your say.How many people registered with MHDC to say they wanted a another supermarket in the town? was it NIL.
I'm not sure the planning system works like that.
Anonymous - local supermarkets charging too much? Was ot the Teme Valley News that had an article in it stating that one of the local stores are actually cheaper than Tesco on quite few items? Yes I think it was
Anonymous is right though..
No-one from the local population was prepared to speak 'for' a supermarket at the planning meet. Keen individuals could have registered to do so relatively easily but no-one did.
I'm rather surprised that you don't think Cllr Penn is from the local population. It elected him!
In the context of the planning meet Clr Penn was just that - he was there/talking in his Clr guise and sitting with the other Clrs..
He wasn't speaking as a member of the public who'd asked MHDC previously to have their say/be called to the mic [as the two 'against' speakers from the general public did].
My earlier comment refers to the lack of a like 'pro' speaker from the general public - of which there was no-one.
I think the reason for that, is people feel uncomfortable publicly supporting the supermarket proposal, because the anti people are so vocal. Certainly, I know people who would like to speak up, but don't feel that they can, and didn't even feel they could attend the meeting.
It wad my understanding that the "for" time was reserved for the applicant/developer.
I checked with Rosalyn Kirby pre the planning meet to see if anyone had regd to speak 'for' the development from the general public. She replied "no"... I'm pretty sure the facility was there if someone had been keen to register/air their support.
Additionally they was some flexibility in the 'speaking' minutes allowed as they were keen to have all parties have a say if possible [all gleaned in chat/e-mails pre the planning meet]..
I guess the answer very much depends on the question.
Just a quick note to 'anonymous' above on the matter of having your say etc..
Do have your say - there's a 'Tenbury Futures' campaign in the town now to get the whole town & surrounds to feed back on what devts they'd like to see on the Cattle Market site.
All of the returns will be recorded end Feb/early Mar and the documents passed to the town council and MHDC reps for feed in on how the town could move on from this point..
More info & form download:
http://tenbury-futures.blogspot.com/
"Do have your say - there's a 'Tenbury Futures' campaign in the town now to get the whole town & surrounds to feed back on what devts they'd like to see on the Cattle Market site."
Its a pointless waist of time, sponsored by Tenbury shops and surprise there is overwhelming support for extra parking - come on! Will somebody please think of a way to give the silent majority a chance to voice their opinion with out having to also give their name!!
I can say that there is no 'sponsorship' from local shops - no money has changed hands whatsoever.
As far as I can gather some shops are for the exercise, some undecided.
Whoever contributes to the forms by voting on the 6 ideas can be assured it will be reflected in any returned analysis of feedback.
The only thing that isn't possible is to put up all of the comments at this point. These will be fed back to both TTC and MHDC though post February.
It's just another mechanism to let folks have a say at the end of the day in this present situation post Tesco rejection..
The only way MHDC and TTC can be sure that each form is genuine, and that nobody is sending in more than one is by people putting their names and addresses onto them. Anonymous ones wouldn't be accepted. I can't see that there is any other way of doing it.
Shopkeepers are allowed their say in the same way as everyone else - one person, one opinion (although the questionnaire allows you to have a lot of different opinions as long as they're on one form - you can love or loathe every idea, and there's plenty of space to come up with your own suggestions).
Beyond that they're only involved by putting up posters and handing out and collecting questionnaires.
I think there are some great ideas - and there are other possibilities too. How about specially designed starter homes that can handle the flood risk, as part of a mixed use development? It might not be possible, but it's worth thinking about.
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