Wednesday, 20 July 2011

Tenbury Tesco - New Plan Validated

Revised Post 21/7/11


It seems that MHDC have not validated the new Tenbury Tesco application.  Usually when copies arrive in Town they are validated, but I'm informed by a BBC journalist that Malvern hope to get the plan validated this week.


A copy is available to view in the Town Council's office and at library.


The documents will become available on-line on the MHDC planning site in the next few days.

80 comments:

Tenbury Futures said...

If it involves the demolishing of Tenbury's historic old infirmary building then it'll be a non-starter for hundreds of locals in the Tenbury area.

The building is within the Tenbury conservation area and will need conservation area consent to even change the letterbox. Hundreds locally lodged planning objections to it being demolished last time [and helped get the last Tesco plan rejected at planning] and we aim to top those numbers this time around.

Instead we think our community-driven development plan is the best solution to the CM site. To see more download our 'PLAN B' for free at the web address below:

http://www.tenbury-futures.blogspot.com

Anonymous said...

you will say that your plan is a bigger non starter

Anonymous said...

Well said Tenbury Futures- we wont be rolled over by no one

Tenbury Futures said...

One of Tesco's selling points for the new site: "A contemporary and environmentally-friendly store that includes sustainable timber and glass panels to optimise light".
Tokenism This is tokenism, we propose a much rounder sustainable solution to the CM site in PLAN B. If their new plan were truly an environmentally-friendly building it would include a much broader range of available technologies. Where are the arrays of solar PV panels? Where are the heat exchangers? And where is the reference to ground source heat pumps for cheap heating in the winter? Don't be taken in - these bits of windows and wood are all tinkering at the edges & then smeared with a good layer of Tesco spin.

[Long anti-Tesco rant - removed by moderator]

PLAN B Instead why not support a much more sustainable concept in our PLAN B. We suggest a range of tried and tested renewable technologies in conjunction with a re-use of the infirmary building and the new courtyards.

@WR15 said...

I would be interested to hear that Tenbury Futures have made contact with the site owner and have secured the purchase of the site and have sufficient funds to develop the site and a business plan to support the running & maintenance of the development and pay any interest or dividends on the money raised. Of course this may have all been revealed at their "closed" meeting last night. Or perhaps it was closed as it was only the TesNo group meeting under a new name.

Ian said...

They're a pretty secretive group aren't they, despite purporting to represent the local community! Most of the stuff they seem to produce is effectively anonymous and unattributable.

Anonymous said...

"WR15
Of course this may have all been revealed at their "closed" meeting last night. Or perhaps it was closed as it was only the TesNo group meeting under a new name."

"Ian
They're a pretty secretive group aren't they, despite purporting to represent the local community! Most of the stuff they seem to produce is effectively anonymous and unattributable."

"WR15
RugbyFan, You should see the things I don't publish! (especially about your wider family)"

Not so secretive Ian (which one - I'm confused as well) couldn't you keep it simple and be Ian 1 and Ian 2 - easy... it seems to me you know all about Rugby Fan and his family so no secret there. I am sure if some of the information "secretly" held by WR15 was published there would be consequences but
WR15 by insinuating you have these "secrets" you are no different.

In my opinion - it sounds to me you just have the opportunity at being the smug guy who knows everything and no-one else does. Haw haw haw. I know you won't publish this but you will get the message so I will be happy with that and incidentally I am not a member of RugbyFans family or wider family whatever that means.

Ian said...

As far as I am aware there are only two people with the first name of Ian who contribute to this blog. One "Ian" is @WR15 who has NEVER (as far as I know) used his first name on the blog. The other "Ian" is me who ALWAYS uses that name and no other. So, whenever you see the name "Ian" it's me and NOT @WR15.

Anonymous said...

Whatever plans TESCO put forward does not change the facts.

1)Folk will shop their as they have the might to out price others
2)Existing local shops will decline as folk spend at TESCO rathr than with the traditional stores in the town
3)With local stores gone what is there to replce them.
Put simply TESCO will alter the look, feel and quality of Tenbury for ever.

Anonymous said...

this shows that tenbury futures are just a bunch of bullys
what are they really hiding
what is their true agenda
i thought it was a peoples plan if that the case why was it a closed meeting

Anonymous said...

Will tenbury futures be publishing their minutes from the closed meeting
i dont think so
if they hoping to sell shares in their idiot plan they will have to be more open
this plan B REALLY stinks more WHEN i think about it
A PRESSURE GROUP more like a playgroup

Anonymous said...

If Tenbury Futures are bullies, what on earth do some folk think the big supermarkets (of which TESCO is one) are. Maybe instead of throwing their toys out of their prams some people need to get real, understand what's going on around them, understand the changes to their environment that TESCO would bring and seek better ways to promote their town.

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

Who is the Chair of Tenbury Futures? Who is the Secretary, Treasurer? Who are the committee members. It seems akin to a secret society.

Anonymous said...

i dont think plan b would help to promote the town i think it will do the opposite and destroy the town
and i think it the case of tenbury futures throwing their toys out of the plan in your fantastic playgroup

Anonymous said...

A Proactive Alliance of Concerned Local Residents and Businesses from the Tenbury Area.......

This is Tenbury Futures - what part don't you understand..... Ian?

Shropshire Star said...

Click link above for tonight's Shropshire Star article on the Tenbury Tesco Application.

Ian (not @WR15) said...

"A Proactive Alliance of Concerned Local Residents and Businesses from the Tenbury Area......."

These are just meaningless words unless there are identities associated with them.

Ian (not @WR15) said...

"A Proactive Alliance of Concerned Local Residents and Businesses from the Tenbury Area......."

So "Who is the Chair of Tenbury Futures? Who is the Secretary, Treasurer? Who are the committee members. It seems akin to a secret society."

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

Dear reader - you need to know nothing more than the fact that Tenbury Futures will not identify any personnel. I rest my case. Ignore their protestations – an unwillingness to identify themselves is a fatal flaw in their claim to be a “community” organisation.

Anonymous said...

Simmer down Ian .... All will be revealed .

Rugby fan 72 said...

Secret meetings....they sound wonderful......have Tesco discussed the "New" plan with any one prior to submitting this revised version? How did an "Artists impression" get published on this web site before the plan was public?.....Are there "unbias" memebers of our community talking to Tesco...god forbid!

Tenbury Futures said...

Tenbury Futures have been having regular group meetings involving some of the many individuals who indicated they would be interested in an alternate solution to the CM site on the recent Community Questionnaire.

These individuals are drawn from many local residents in the area as well as interested highstreet traders, Chamber of Trade members and interested representatives of other local groups such as the British Legion etc.

These have been group meetings discussing our own personal perspectives on both the emerging Tesco scenario as well as the logistics of carrying-out the stages of our PLAN B and other proactive ideas we have.

We are not a formally set up group, we have no formal members, constitution or steering committee. We are merely a cross section of individuals from the local community who have come together and who want a sustainable, community-based solution for the CM site that would both bring [real] local jobs [as opposed to a large proportion of short term contract roles in a supermarket solution] while boosting Tenbury's tourist draw and enhancing the public realm space for all at the Teme Bridge end of the town.

Far from the perspective that some commenters are trying to suggest - we have no 'secrets'. In fact much if not all of the conclusions of our discussions to date have been covered as blog posts or discussion comments on the Futures blog. Additionally our proactive thinking to date after collective discussion has been detailed in our publicly-available PLAN B document.

Download our PLAN B for free at:
http://tenbury-futures.blogspot.com/

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

So, how does one joinTenbury Futures?

Anonymous said...

Ian (NOT @ WR15)- Now clear you are not WR15 (so you say) - just ask WR15 - he knows everything about everyones family and everyone and everything that's happening in the world of Tenbury Wells .... it's easy.... ;)

@WR15 said...

I don't know the answer to that, but I do know there is a Tenbury Futures presentation at the Town Council meeting on Monday August 8th.

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

"These individuals are drawn from many local residents in the area as well as interested highstreet traders, Chamber of Trade members and interested representatives of other local groups such as the British Legion etc." . . . so how do I join? This is a strange set up - no one identifies themselves as a member and no one can tell me how to join. Doesn't that strike anyone else as, at the very least, rather strange?

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

. . . and how is it that an "organisation" with no organisation, no officers, no committee et al can get an audience with the TC?

Anonymous said...

Ian (NOT @WR15) so you say

"These individuals are drawn from many local residents in the area as well as interested highstreet traders, Chamber of Trade members and interested representatives of other local groups such as the British Legion etc." . . . so how do I join? This is a strange set up - no one identifies themselves as a member and no one can tell me how to join. Doesn't that strike anyone else as, at the very least, rather strange?

WHY would you want to join such a group of people - it sounds as you don't much care for them anyway, rather strange? to me anyhow ;) just my opinion..

Anonymous said...

“I wouldn’t want to belong to a club that would have me as a member.”

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

Why can't "anonymous" (or anyone else) answer a straightforward question? Who are Tenbury Futures and how can I join?

Anonymous said...

You have been constantly been told that the members if tenbury futures are s bunch of concerned local residents and shop keepers/owners, chamber of trade and so on. So why Ian (not @WR15 (apparently)) do you keep in insisting they tell you when they already have. Your like a broken record.

Anonymous said...

Why can't "anonymous" (or anyone else) answer a straightforward question? Who are Tenbury Futures and how can I join?
STRAIGHTFORWARD ANSWER =
I don't know the answer to that, but I do know there is a Tenbury Futures presentation at the Town Council meeting on Monday August 8th because WR15 said so.

Ian (NOT @WR15) said...

No further point in asking for information from an organisation (that says it isn't one) that for some reason known only to itself is unwilling to identify its personnel and doesn't want any new members to join. (Are they going to appear at the Town Council wearing disguises?) So I won't.

Norman Wanstall said...

I cannot for the life of me understand how the Highway Agency (or whoever is responsible for traffic matters) could not have pointed out to Tesco in the beginning that countless vehicles entering and exiting their site would create total traffic chaos in Teme Street!!!!!All the other issues raised about design etc are irrelevant compared to the horrendous congestion that would be caused by a constant flow of vehicles attempting to exit Tesco all day and cross the river via the bridge. Heaven knows it's bad enough as it is with the curvature of the bridge making it impossible for lorries and cars to pass one another from opposite directions. I think the statement by the Highway Authority that "at the present time the bridge can accomodate the traffic associated with this development" has caused confusion. When I asked them how they could have been so irresponsible they indicated that they were referring to the bridge's INFRASTRUCTURE and its ability to cope with the extra WEIGHT of traffic and not the traffic FLOW. So who in God's name then told Tesco that an already chaotic spot in the town could cope with all the extra cars, vans and delivery lorries that their development would introduce. Would someone who supports this mind-bogglingly idiotic scheme PLEASE tell us all how they would overcome this problem. And PLEASE.....DON'T EVEN THINK OF SUGGESTING TRAFFIC LIGHTS!!

@WR15 said...

I believe three sets of traffic engineers (or whatever they are called) looked at the data and concluded that there isn't a problem.

I believe the data was wrong. The surveys were not carried out at peak Tenbury traffic flow times. (they may be peak times elsewhere eg Saturday pm, but not here) I pressed Tesco to redo them. I've not yet studied the latest application, so don't know if they did.

Rugby fan 72 said...

"I pressed Tesco to redo them."

Was this in a secret meeting that no one else was invited to?......

@WR15 said...

Not quite, but Tesco did meet with several Tenbury organisations & I was invited by one of them.

Anonymous said...

@WR15
"Not quite, but Tesco did meet with several Tenbury organisations & I was invited by one of them"

Which organisations were these? and which one were you invited by?

Rugby fan 72 said...

Missing documents have apparently led to the delay of the validation.....The mind boggles which one it could be..

...could it be the one with a realistic traffic survey?

Could it be the one justifying the knocking down of the Old Infirmary?

Maybe it is the one for the signage that is clearly missing from the artists impression....

Or could it be something more sinister - arriving in a brown envelope...

Anwsers on a post card....

@WR15 said...

Which organisations were these? and which one were you invited by?

and you are?

Anonymous said...

Does it matter??

Anonymous said...

Here we go. WR15 one of the people that keep asking about Tenbury Futures group and who they are. But when he is pressed on a simple question can't answer. Oh well. bit hypocritical I think

Mr. Longbeard said...

I'd assume they were organisations in town and he was invited by a member of one of them.

If such an answer is acceptable from the futures group which purport to represent the town it should more than suffice for any private organisations possibly looking after their own concerns.

@WR15 said...

Just like to know when I'm being asked very specific questions.

@WR15 said...

Thank you Mr Longbeard. As usual put better than I could. Yes, Town organisations, with a structure and elected officers. At the meeting I was at we mainly discussed Trees, shrubs and surfaces.

Anonymous said...

So WR15 what "organisations" where these?

Anonymous said...

rudby fan u are talking a load of nonsense as usual

Anonymous said...

Oh look Mr Anon the one that insults and personally attacks people is back and gets published as usual.

How bout being civil and actually keep things to yourself if you can't say anything apart from your an idiot you talk rubbish ur a *beep*

@WR15 said...

So you don't think

"Or could it be something more sinister - arriving in a brown envelope..."

is a load of nonsense?

Mr. Longbeard said...

I do like how Mr.anon is annoyed with Mr.anon over perceived slights whilst fully supporting Mr.anon and Mr.anon who support the anonymous futures group....

I wonder if a tin foil hat shop would do decent business in town?

Anonymous said...

Yes Longbeard a tin foil hat shop would do great and I bet you and WR15 would be the very first customers in store buying one.

Anonymous said...

Mr Beard
You diversify from the initial point. Ian (@WR15) and Ian NOT WR15 (so you say) were intent on knowing what organisation Tenbury Futures purported to be - now the same type of question is asked and Ian (@WR15) is defensive, hasn't named the "organisation" or it's "elected members". If the organisation he claims to have been invited by is a legitimate organisation with elected members and officers what is the secret in naming such an organisation and the elected members and officers? Many people on this blog wanted to know the answer in the reverse so now what is the difference?

"I wonder if a tin foil hat shop would do decent business in town?"
Now you're being silly... but there are a lot of tin god's around here imho

Anonymous said...

(@WR15)
Which organisations were these? and which one were you invited by?

and you are?

Hit a nerve there - We could go on all day - all week and forever with this one and this is the point - no-one is prepared to say who they are including me. Even so you and others on this blog want to know everything about everything including trying to be "little" a group of very concerned people which you seem to think is ok to do but when you and your like minded chums are asked the same questions we get a "clever" response.. seems a bit one sided to me...

@WR15 said...

I thought I would delay my reply to see what happened and what comments I got. I've published a few.

Tesco met with a number of organisations. The only two I know for sure are the Town Council & the Civic Society.

Anonymous said...

"@WR15
I thought I would delay my reply to see what happened and what comments I got. I've published a few.

Tesco met with a number of organisations. The only two I know for sure are the Town Council & the Civic Society."

So from your response that you were invited by one of these "organisations" (which are the only two you know for sure) you were present because you were asked to give your opinion on trees shrubs and surfaces, which means you must therefore have an interest in the development coming because it will provide you with work? Or am I over assuming? Now I for one understand why you are so for a new development - because you have an interest. This means you are unable to be unbiased in your opinions - aren't you?

@WR15 said...

I'm afraid you are over assuming.

I have no commercial interest in supplying anything to the Developer, Builder, ultimate owner, retailer or anyone else connected with the site.

You are welcome to your assumption that I am "so for a new development" but again you are over assuming, but this is old ground so I won't repeat why again.

Anonymous said...

@WR15
Why were you "invited" ? to clear up any assumptions. apologies for assuming but if you were invited and by such organisations as Tenbury Town Council and/or the Civic Society - such organisations having a reasoned and valid input into a development of any kind - what makes you so special and which officer invited you. Let us know it will clear up any assumptions.

@WR15 said...

Maybe I'm an officer? (but before you respond please read the disclaimer top right of the blog)

Mr. Longbeard said...

[I] [B]"....Now you're being silly... " [/B] [/I]

Yes, it was intended as a silly post.
Its purpose was to highlight the futility of a perceived conspiracy when everyone is posting as 'Anon', how can one Anon suggest another Anons posting is as usual when neither Anon knows the other Anon??

[I]...[B]"You diversify from the initial point. Ian (@WR15) and Ian NOT WR15 (so you say) were intent on knowing what organisation Tenbury Futures purported to be...."[/B] [/I]

The point stands, The futures groups purport to represent the town and its residents, and whilst they are entitled to their anonymity it does raise a concern for me which I have raised in another of @WR15's blog posts, it received no response there so I shall not labour the point here, the difference is quite large as @WR15 appears to speak for himself and no one else, what meetings he attends are his business..

[I][B]"Yes Longbeard a tin foil hat shop would do great and I bet you and WR15 would be the very first customers in store buying one."[/B][/I]

Not if it keeps the same restrictive hours as some of the other shops in town ;-)

[B][I]but there are a lot of tin god's around here imho
[/I][/B]

That would be an ecumenical matter ;-)

Rugby fan 72 said...

Mr. Longbeard you claim

"The point stands, The futures groups purport to represent the town and its residents"

No you are incorrect....I refer you to a post earlier in the thread, 22 July 23:15

Tenbury Futures have been having regular group meetings involving some of the many individuals who indicated they would be interested in an alternate solution to the CM site on the recent Community Questionnaire.

These individuals are drawn from many local residents in the area as well as interested highstreet traders, Chamber of Trade members and interested representatives of other local groups such as the British Legion etc.

These have been group meetings discussing our own personal perspectives on both the emerging Tesco scenario as well as the logistics of carrying-out the stages of our PLAN B and other proactive ideas we have.

We are not a formally set up group, we have no formal members, constitution or steering committee. We are merely a cross section of individuals from the local community who have come together and who want a sustainable, community-based solution for the CM site that would both bring [real] local jobs [as opposed to a large proportion of short term contract roles in a supermarket solution] while boosting Tenbury's tourist draw and enhancing the public realm space for all at the Teme Bridge end of the town.

Have you tried contacting the Futures group via the Tenbury Futures Web site?

Ian said...

The pursuit of the identity of the personnel involved in the Tenbury Futures campaign is clearly pointless (though for an organisation that claims it isn’t one, and which eschews any structure or officers, it seems pretty well organised!) But perhaps you need to know little more than the fact that if you play at becoming an amateur architect/planner for an hour or so your efforts are to be returned to either Spar, The Little Sweet Shop or Bowketts. Ask yourself: are the people involved in any of these businesses ever likely to be remotely open minded about the development of the site?

Rugby fan 72 said...

The Teme Valley Times makes for an interesting read....i am surrised there have been no posts yet....

@WR15 said...

I was the first person to get a copy & have been tweeting about the stories but thought I would wait for full distribution before covering the issues.

Mr. Longbeard said...

Will have to wait until I pick a copy up, it is online but it is a woeful site to browse on a phone.

@WR15 said...

It will be a few days before the latest issue is online.

Ian said...

Just read the Teme Valley Times. I shall now refer to Tenbury Futures as Tenbury Fantasists!

Ian said...

I suppose I ought to give some substance to my previous post: according to a 2006 report from the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at Imperial College London the average cost in 2003 of a single carriageway bypass was £2.13m per kilometer. Given that costs have increased something like 23% since 2003 how on earth do Tenbury Fantasists (aka Futures) imagine that you can construct approximately 0.25km of road (c £500k at 2003 prices) AND a bridge for (they suggest) less that the cost of the new bridge at Bridge Sollers (which was £1.25m). Plain crackers.

Anonymous said...

Ian: are you unable to be polite?

Lesley said...

In the news today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019896/Tesco-wins-Englands-smallest-town-loses-battle-supermarket-giant-year-battle-wills.html

Ian said...

Ian: are you unable to be polite? - sorry. Is plain daft better?

Anonymous said...

No, Ian, it's equally unhelpful when you're daft.

Ian said...

OK . . . just so totally and utterly unrealistic in terms of cost and timescale as to amount to being plain silly. Will that do?

Anonymous said...

What timescale?

Ian said...

Well, if Tesco do get planning consent their store it will probably be open before the end of 2012. I can't see a new bypass and bridge even complete the planning stage by then, let alone have identified funding. In other words, if/when the Tesco store is opened the bridge idea is a dead duck.

Anonymous said...

I thought PLAN B was a London based soul star with a alter-ego accused of a major crime,as far as I am concerned both Plan B's are as relevant to Tenbury as each other!

Lesley said...

Has anyone actually seen the revised application? The details are on the MH planning portal but I can't see any of the documents.

@WR15 said...

A copy is available to view in the Town Council's office and at library.

I have no idea why a copy isn't online unless perhaps the person responsible is on holiday.

Rugby fan 72 said...

I went to the library yesterday and asked to view the plans but was told they had't been validated, therefore were not available. I questioned the recent letter dated 9 August stating there were 3 weeks to respond to which the council chap said ignore that, there will be longer to respond......!! This is not a "standard" application, so why issue a standard letter which is factually incorrect?

@WR15 said...

Strange.The MHDC website shows as validated on 5th Aug 11.

Rugby fan 72 said...

Validated plans delivered to the library today. The duty planner confirmed that there would be longer than 3 weeks to submit letters for or against......